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Freaky Bare
Blueprint Haus
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.01 06:02:00 -
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with bringing Mercs in. The question is can these guys stand on their own? Maybe they can, maybe not. It looks like they don't intend to take any chances. Nothing wrong with that either.
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Freaky Bare
Blueprint Haus
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.02 00:07:00 -
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Most of the posters are not attacking Outbreak or Burn Eden. They are attacking the New North. Face it - they have their space due to MC and they hope to keep it through you guys. They will gain no more respect from that than my own alliance will gain losing ships to BE/Outbreak ganks. It's all relative. I am not calling you gankers, simply stating we lose to many ships to ganks which happen to come from you. (not the same thing.)
I think what is different for many of us is we could not stand the thought of owing our independence to a paid group instead of valued allies.
BTW the New North is much more fun than the old North. That may be something everyone agrees on???
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Freaky Bare
Blueprint Haus
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.02 20:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Angor
Originally by: Freaky Bare
Most of the posters are not attacking Outbreak or Burn Eden. They are attacking the New North. Face it - they have their space due to MC and they hope to keep it through you guys. They will gain no more respect from that than my own alliance will gain losing ships to BE/Outbreak ganks. It's all relative. I am not calling you gankers, simply stating we lose to many ships to ganks which happen to come from you. (not the same thing.)
I think what is different for many of us is we could not stand the thought of owing our independence to a paid group instead of valued allies.
BTW the New North is much more fun than the old North. That may be something everyone agrees on???
Who's side is Burn Eden actually on, because last time I checked they werent blue to us. If they have been hired, i dont think its our side thats hired them and as for outbreak, from what i've known of them they just go where the action is, i dont think they've been hired either.
And I love the way you make out as if the whole of the north's future is dependant on 2 corps, as good as they are, thats not the case.
Burn Eden is on the side of the New North. I base this on the fact they spent several days camping the reinforcement route from Tribute. They get lots of kills elsewhere compared to this spot - there is no other reason to camp it. Outbreak is flying with them, but I don't know if they were also camping that pipeline.
I was making out like the New North thinks outside help is needed to hold there claim. I have no idea. Unless and until you stand on your own you will be hit with these things. May as well get a thick skin now.
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Freaky Bare
Blueprint Haus
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.02 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Wylker
Edited by: Wylker on 02/07/2007 21:07:33
Lets say for a second that T.i.t.s. DID in fact hire outbreak. We'll say they hired them for 100 billion isk.
Now, why do you say they can't stand on their own? Being able to afford mercs to protect your space IS standing on your own. Just because you use hired guns to do it doesn't mean you're not still holding it. You may have some egotistical hardon for doing it yourself, but that doesn't make anyone else's methods wrong.
Hell, every professional army in the world gets paid. Many governments use mercenaries. Not using available resources to win a fight because your e-peen gets in the way is stupid.
If T.I.T.S. did hire 0utbreak or BE, I'd be demanding my money back. Didn't they just lose their last station?
BE did exactly what they seem to have signed on to do. They prevented assistance from Vale of the Silent and possibly slowed down assistance from Tribute.
Wilker - financing wins wars but it will never get you respect on CAOD. (okay - that sounds funny even to me) Being able to finance a war is not the same as being able to fight one. There are very rich countries in this world who rely on other countries to defend them when they get attacked. No one thinks the rich country deserves respect. They are just rich.
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Freaky Bare
Blueprint Haus
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.02 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
Seems to me that a gang of alliances that can easily field a 200 strong gang BUT who tacticaly run away from MC (wow you guys lost a lot of cap ships on that little tab) just to return and try to blob out the new residence realy have no real right or should feel any pride in there conquests. Or at least no more than the ppl who now sit in the stations they say they tacticaly ran away from.
Pure offensive corps will always and especialy over the last few weeks after the patch will always have the edge over the defenders because of the simple fact that the offensive guys dictate the times of most of the engagments.
But to bang on and on about taking out t1ts and how we new north wont last is short sighted. If it comes down to a blob vs blob war over and over with you making a stratigical withdrawal every time MC is seen in the area eventualy us new north will just bring enough peeps to either match you or out blob you either way its new north FTW.
Blob tactics aint nice and we can both use em, but when it comes down to takin outposts there are none better than MC.
What I have been hearing Razor say is that they were not defeated and they did not give up. I did not hear them claim they defeated MC tactically or strategically. The mocking I have seen from them is mostly 'wait - arent we dead?'
Razor fought until the enemy left and deserve respect for that. The 'New North' is seen to have been given their territory by a much more powerful ally. YOU ARE GOING TO BE PICKED ON ABOUT THAT. This does not make you wrong, cheap, or weak. It just gives free ammunition to anyone who wants it.
If MC comes back you may be right - you may keep your territory. At least until they leave or they have destroyed all your enemies for you. Personally, and that means only for Freaky Bare, I would not brag about that.
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Freaky Bare
Blueprint Haus
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.03 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Roger Arko
Originally by: Freaky Bare
BE did exactly what they seem to have signed on to do. They prevented assistance from Vale of the Silent and possibly slowed down assistance from Tribute.
So you trying to say 20-30 BE pilots have stopped the 4000-5000 of Vale / Tribute inhabitants?.. I think it's about a time to change the thread title...
During a period of relative quiet BE prevented all minor support. No major fleets were called up - at least during my limited online time.
So what I am saying is 5-6 pilots of the 10-20 BE pilots can completely stop any non-overwhelming force from almost any alliance in this game. When overwhelmed they simply melt away and in any other circumstance they will win with minimal or no losses. If I am supposed to be ashamed of being out-classed by them in small gang situations ... sorry. We can put an entire 20 man fleet against one of them and the BE pilot will have the more valuable setup. Add to that their skills and experience? Unless you cherry-pick your gang and setup ships exclusively for them and fly very expensive .... you know what? just ask 'em to come visit.  I have more respect for BE pilots than anyone else in this game. I hate them, don't get me wrong on that!
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